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Thursday, March 22, 2012

Compatibility of DA Lenses on Full Frame

In the course of studying the possibility of a Full Frame Pentax DSLR system and how ready the current Pentax lens system (i.e., the DA lineup) would be, I have done an extensive research to find out most of the relevant information in the Internet that have been there so far, as well as to do some tests on my own, all of which are summarised as below:-

DA PrimeCompatible? (Yes/No)Reason for No
DA 14/2.8NoDark Circle, Sample Shot Here
DA 15/4 LimitedNoDark Circle
DA 21/3.2 LimitedNoDark Circle
DA 35/2.4Yes, Sample Shots Here and Here (Mine)-
DA 35/2.8 MacroNoHeavy Vignetting
DA 40/2.8 LimitedYes-
DA 40/2.8 XSYes, Sample Shots Here and Here (Mine)
DA 50/1.8Yes, Samples Here
DA* 55/1.4Yes-
DA 70/2.4 LimitedYes, Sample Shots Here and Here (Mine)-
DA* 200/2.8Yes, Sample Shots Here-
DA* 300/4Yes, Sample Shot Here-
DA 560/5.6No, Sample Shots HereHeavy Vignetting at F5.6

DA ZoomCompatible? (Yes/No)Reason for No
DA 10-17/3.5-4.5NoDark Circle to Heavy Vignetting from 10 to 14mm
DA 12-24/4NoDark Circle to Heavy Vignetting from 12 to 16mm
DA 16-45/4NoDark Circle to Heavy Vignetting from 16 to 20mm
DA* 16-50/2.8NoDark Circle for the Whole Zoom Range, Sample Shots Here
DA 17-70/4NoDark Circle for the Whole Zoom Range
DA 18-55/3.5-5.6NoDark Circle to Heavy Vignetting from 18 to 28mm, see Sample Shots Here
DA 18-250/3.5-6.3NoDark Circle for the Whole Zoom Range
DA* 50-135/2.8NoHeavy Vignetting from 50 to 100mm
DA 50-200/4-5.6NoDark Circle for the Whole Zoom Range
DA 55-300/4-5.8NoDark Circle or Vignetting Below 200mm
DA* 60-250/4NoHeavy Vignetting from 85 to 250mm, see Sample Shots Here

So, there are five primes and one zoom that can be "used". And, not any of the wider DA lenses can be used. But it seems that Pentax has lately decided that their new DA lenses should be made to be Full Frame compatible as the latest DA zoom, the DA 55-300, has shown to be usable on Full Frame. The newer DA* 60-250, unlike other DA tele zooms, has an image circle covers Full Frame also, although the vignetting is serious from 135mm and onwards.

As Pentax has stopped updating their DA lens roadmap since March, it also seems that some important lens lineup revisions are in progress. I hope that they are actually planning for the Full Frame, from all signs that can be seen so far (and also this unconfirmed "leaked" lens roadmap as well).

Nevertheless, do note that when it is "compatible" it just means there is no dark circle nor heavy/obvious vignetting. However, whether the image quality at the image corners are yet acceptable to good would be somehow subjective as using a DA lens on Full Frame is surely not officially tested and guaranteed (at least up to this moment).

Original References (Now More Reference Links are Added/Quoted in the Above):-

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=489970 (Simplified Chinese)

http://www.dchome.net/viewthread.php?tid=733914 (Simplified Chinese)
http://info.xitek.com/product/200906/12-20723.html (Simplified Chinese)

http://pentaxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31629

http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/10/da-18-55-on-full-frame.html

http://nekonomestill2.blog32.fc2.com/blog-entry-107.html

Disclaimer: Not all the data contained in the above reference links are totally verified by myself and thus there is no guarantee of any after all !

My advice is to be more conservative for those reports in the above links that there is not any sample photo to support the claims, e.g., when both xitek reports tell that the DA 18-55 has no vignetting and is usable starting from 23mm, my own actual shooting test shows that at 28mm, there is still obvious vignetting, which is clearly shown in my sample photos posted. All in all, I am afraid those "testers" were either using a DA lens on a film body but *just* looking through the viewfinder to verify before they told (but they'd forgot that the finders are mostly not 100% in coverage!) or that they were shooting negative and just viewed the final prints (which are not 100% coverage neither) and then came up with their conclusions too early! :-o :-(


[First Posted: October 17, 2009; Last Updated: February 17, 2013]

 

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5 lenses are fine, but there are legacy lenses (the FA) as well
micro four third system starts with only 3-4 lenses, and they are having a blaze right now.
Last year for example, Panasonic is almost unheard of in DSLR market, now put two m43 cameras in top ten chart.

one of friend in cameralabs, rei vilo from France attended Le Salon de la Photographie in Paris and reported that A full frame is on the pipe. Pro photographers are asking for a date: "End of 2010 is too late, they said, we want it at Q1 2010 or I'm going to change for a Canon or a Nikon."
"Pro photographers are asking for a date: "End of 2010 is too late, they said, we want it at Q1 2010 or I'm going to change for a Canon or a Nikon."

Must be Benjikan. Only "pro" Pentax photographer apparently in Europe, and I do not think Pentax listens to anything he says anymore...

Pentax apparently has no interest in competing with the BIG BOYS - their market is beginners to prosumers, as witnessed by every camera they have produced in the digital age.
1 reply · active 767 weeks ago
I was at the '"Salon de la photo" today, and a guy from the Pentax booth told me that a FF is planned for the end of 2010.
And also there will be in 2 days a new firmware for the K-7. This firmware is supposed to reduce a lot the noise...
1 reply · active 802 weeks ago
Have u guys heard that Ricoh is courting Pentax to develop APS-C camera after Samsung decide to leave for their own NX? that is interesting. the announcement will be on 12 Nov 2009 by Ricoh.
1 reply · active 802 weeks ago
DA*60-250 is FF lens.
DA* 60-250 is FF capable, here's the proof:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=...
3 replies · active 524 weeks ago
I cant imagine mounting my 50-500 on the and of the k-01 and holding it at arms lenght, maybe it is the right time for k-5 Mk2 full frame or could it be crop 21mp ?
there is no market for ff without ecosystem. Nikon and Canon have ecosystems. Average user buys nokia 808 and is more happy than with k5. second generation of CX sensors (same size as nokia 808) cover 99 % of home photography needs. I have ff, aps-c and nikon cx, love cx for home video and photo. Purchased v1 for one professional job, but would like to have true camera phone 808 to my pocket. it has 38 mpixel jpeg output. Please do not talk aabout DOF and low light, 99 % of the family photography cases this is not important at all, we need low light and AFand in this v1 beats my k5 and partially 5d2 (not in low light) but v1 does af during video and has mic input.

If cameraphones attack, Pentax is dead soon.

butif they will unveil FF I will replace my k5 hopefully they have crop mode like in d800
1 reply · active 678 weeks ago
Forget FF for K mount not going to happen people. Wish it would but Pentax have money to waste on the K-01 (sigh)
Hi,
i'm just back from Paris "Salon de la photo" and according to some Pentax guys, they've been officialy told that a full frame camera should come in 2013.
Cool !!
I'll try to have more information tomorrow.
to be continued..
1 reply · active 642 weeks ago
no more info today,
they've just been told not to say there won't be any full frame in the future..
grr,
hard to get info from Pentax communication, as usual..
not a problem of concurrence (they all have full frame cameras in other brands !),
just a lack of info, which is commun with Pentax japanese people.
we will just wait for more.
(but it's hard and long since my K20d)
1 reply · active 642 weeks ago
and me since my Samsung GX-1L..
Hello from Russia/
Sigma 30 1.4 with screwdriver af fit well on a film ME Super, but have some vignetting at infinity.
Do you think that all the waiting and suspense will actually be worth it for pentax users? They keep teasing with maybe's - how long until people give up waiting I wonder
1 reply · active 621 weeks ago
So now that FF has been announced the question is will the FF compatible lenses be accepted by the camera as FF or will it be only crop mode.
What about the new Pentax HD DA 16-85mm F/3,5-5.6 ED DC WR?
It seems to be quite good optically and also WR.
If this lens works well (without heavy vigneting) on FF from 20mm, it would be a bargain at the current price (app. €700).
Has someone in the forum tested this lens on FF?
Regards,
I know it is an old post....

Recently I triede the newer DA55-300WR on a K1 - when using no or the DA55 lens hood - vegnetting is much much less ...near to usable ;-)

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